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	<title>Comments on: UPDATE: Bad PR experience story. PR firm&#8217;s client is obtuse.</title>
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	<description>David Spark's segment on Green 960 AM (formerly 960, The Quake)</description>
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		<title>By: Sam Pauo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Pauo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, i admire that you were willing to bury the hatchet. Not many media group would take that initiative to mend an ugly situation like that. And boo at client guy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, i admire that you were willing to bury the hatchet. Not many media group would take that initiative to mend an ugly situation like that. And boo at client guy!</p>
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		<title>By: RA in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>RA in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Led to your story today from @HighTalk tweet. Nice to read your blog.

Reminds me of an experience last month where I used LinkedIn to ask a PR consultant about a work-related topic -- this person was seemingly social media savvy, which prompted the question. Person replies back with follow-up q&#039;s plainly answered on my own profile. I decided that, perhaps, that person wasn&#039;t quite as savvy as I&#039;d hoped ... I didn&#039;t reply back. Ah well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Led to your story today from @HighTalk tweet. Nice to read your blog.</p>
<p>Reminds me of an experience last month where I used LinkedIn to ask a PR consultant about a work-related topic &#8212; this person was seemingly social media savvy, which prompted the question. Person replies back with follow-up q&#8217;s plainly answered on my own profile. I decided that, perhaps, that person wasn&#8217;t quite as savvy as I&#8217;d hoped &#8230; I didn&#8217;t reply back. Ah well.</p>
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		<title>By: David Spark</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Spark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never worked with the PR guy in the past. We essentially have no relationship. I&#039;ve never helped him, he&#039;s never helped me. 

As I mentioned, there were a series of mistakes made by both parties that total to one bad perception of the PR firm and the client. But as I said I&#039;m open to rebooting everything. I&#039;m open. We&#039;ll see what happens. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never worked with the PR guy in the past. We essentially have no relationship. I&#8217;ve never helped him, he&#8217;s never helped me. </p>
<p>As I mentioned, there were a series of mistakes made by both parties that total to one bad perception of the PR firm and the client. But as I said I&#8217;m open to rebooting everything. I&#8217;m open. We&#8217;ll see what happens. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the follow up, it&#039;s nice to hear the whole story out.  In the end, do you blame the client or the PR firm?  It seemed like the PR guy did a good job of courting you and wants to build relationships in the future.  He may have told the client the correct things to do and the client blew him off.  Would you work with this PR guy in the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the follow up, it&#8217;s nice to hear the whole story out.  In the end, do you blame the client or the PR firm?  It seemed like the PR guy did a good job of courting you and wants to build relationships in the future.  He may have told the client the correct things to do and the client blew him off.  Would you work with this PR guy in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: George Snell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Snell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David:
Ouch.

As a former agency PR executive, I can tell you that a big part of the problem lies in the economy.   I know it sounds crazy, but let me explain.

PR agencies (especially those that specialize in tech) really took off in the late 80s and grew up during the go-go 90s.  They are structured for retainers of $20-30K and above.  That&#039;s how they were designed.

After the dot-bomb era retainers fell and now, as the economy continues to fall, retainers have plummeted to $5-10K range.  So consultants which used to service a maximum of 3 clients now have to service more than 5 in order for the agencies to continue to make money.

The result is overworked PR consultants at a time when social media has been exploding.  You can see the dire results everywhere - nearly every day with all the mistakes and miscues from PR folks.

All PR people know mass email pitches are terrible and shouldn&#039;t be done.  Yet  every big firm does it.  They have to in order to keep up with workloads and client demands.  Shortcuts are the only way many of these consultants can get their jobs done.

Then of course there&#039;s the second reason: treating social media as just another marketing channel.  But that&#039;s a whole other rant.

Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David:<br />
Ouch.</p>
<p>As a former agency PR executive, I can tell you that a big part of the problem lies in the economy.   I know it sounds crazy, but let me explain.</p>
<p>PR agencies (especially those that specialize in tech) really took off in the late 80s and grew up during the go-go 90s.  They are structured for retainers of $20-30K and above.  That&#8217;s how they were designed.</p>
<p>After the dot-bomb era retainers fell and now, as the economy continues to fall, retainers have plummeted to $5-10K range.  So consultants which used to service a maximum of 3 clients now have to service more than 5 in order for the agencies to continue to make money.</p>
<p>The result is overworked PR consultants at a time when social media has been exploding.  You can see the dire results everywhere &#8211; nearly every day with all the mistakes and miscues from PR folks.</p>
<p>All PR people know mass email pitches are terrible and shouldn&#8217;t be done.  Yet  every big firm does it.  They have to in order to keep up with workloads and client demands.  Shortcuts are the only way many of these consultants can get their jobs done.</p>
<p>Then of course there&#8217;s the second reason: treating social media as just another marketing channel.  But that&#8217;s a whole other rant.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: David Spark</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Spark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I considered the three strikes rule. But honestly, this was the stupid client&#039;s fault. Not the PR firm&#039;s fault. I know that&#039;s the PR firm&#039;s job, but there&#039;s just so much you can control someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I considered the three strikes rule. But honestly, this was the stupid client&#8217;s fault. Not the PR firm&#8217;s fault. I know that&#8217;s the PR firm&#8217;s job, but there&#8217;s just so much you can control someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Shelton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Shelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the Dvorak piece! Maybe you should have a &quot;three strikes&quot; rule -- you won&#039;t out the company on a first offense or a second offense but when the third time comes along you just have to say &quot;guys, this is clearly a call for help so I am now publishing the name so that if you have any friends out there they can step in and give you some coaching!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the Dvorak piece! Maybe you should have a &#8220;three strikes&#8221; rule &#8212; you won&#8217;t out the company on a first offense or a second offense but when the third time comes along you just have to say &#8220;guys, this is clearly a call for help so I am now publishing the name so that if you have any friends out there they can step in and give you some coaching!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story David. What DO you do BTW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story David. What DO you do BTW?</p>
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